I'm new to this forum. I'm wondering if someone can help me that way?
If I have well understand the following tracks on the Rhino reissues from the beginning of the 90's stayed exclusive till now. I mean they are not officially available everywhere else since :
The Man Who Sold The World : Ryko edition 1990 - Lightning frightening
The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars : Ryko edition 1990 - John I'm only dancing (remix) / Sweet head / Ziggy Stardust (demo) / Lady Stardust (demo)
Pin Ups : Ryko edition 1990 - Growin' up / Port of Amsterdam
Young Americans : Ryko edition 1991 - It's gonna be now
Low : Ryko edition 1991 - Some are / Sound and vision (remixed version)
Heroes : Ryko edition 1991 - Joe the lion (remixed version)
Lodger: Ryko edition 1991 - I pray, Olé / Look back in anger (1988)
Thanks in advance for your precious help and bravo for this great website/forum !!
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pobbard
Posted: 12th Mar 2018, 7:57 pm
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(You wrote "Rhino" in the subject and top of your message, but I think you mean "Ryko" throughout...)
Your list looks pretty good. Two exceptions I know of, off the top of my head:
- "It's Gonna Be Me"; the same version on Ryko's Young American's also appeared on The Gouster (bonus disc in Who Can I Be Now? box) - The demos of "Lady Stardust" and "Ziggy Stardust" also appeared on 2002's deluxe Ziggy Stardust reissue. This also includes "Sweet Head", but with an extra half minute of studio banter included
When you include the original Sound + Vision compilation, there are in fact many more than these. I'm sure this list will be corrected, but this is my understanding, although this could have changed with the re:call discs.
Space Oddity - demo Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud - single (without spoken intro) Don't Sit Down London Bye Ta-Ta - version 2 mono Moonage Daydream - Arnold Corns version edit (without spoken intro) Hang On To Yourself - Arnold Corns fake stereo version Quicksand - demo Bombers The Bewlay Brothers - alt mix Sweet Head - take 4 edit John I'm Only Dancing - 1979 Remix Round And Round - alt mix Big Brother - edit Who Can I Be Now? After Today It's Hard To Be A Saint In The City John I'm Only Dancing (Again) - 12" version Win - alt mix Fascination - alt mix Right - alt mix Some Are All Saints Abdulmajid I Pray, Ole Space Oddity - remake alt edit Heroes (Helden) - 1989 Remix Sound And Vision - David Richards 1991 remix Joe The Lion - Remix Look Back In Anger - 1988 re-recording
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david_mas
Posted: 13th Mar 2018, 9:05 am
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pobbard wrote:
(You wrote "Rhino" in the subject and top of your message, but I think you mean "Ryko" throughout...)
Your list looks pretty good. Two exceptions I know of, off the top of my head:
- "It's Gonna Be Me"; the same version on Ryko's Young American's also appeared on The Gouster (bonus disc in Who Can I Be Now? box) - The demos of "Lady Stardust" and "Ziggy Stardust" also appeared on 2002's deluxe Ziggy Stardust reissue. This also includes "Sweet Head", but with an extra half minute of studio banter included
Thanks a lot for these precious infos !!!
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david_mas
Posted: 13th Mar 2018, 9:39 am
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attfield wrote:
When you include the original Sound + Vision compilation, there are in fact many more than these. I'm sure this list will be corrected, but this is my understanding, although this could have changed with the re:call discs.
Space Oddity - demo Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud - single (without spoken intro) Don't Sit Down London Bye Ta-Ta - version 2 mono Moonage Daydream - Arnold Corns version edit (without spoken intro) Hang On To Yourself - Arnold Corns fake stereo version Quicksand - demo Bombers The Bewlay Brothers - alt mix Sweet Head - take 4 edit John I'm Only Dancing - 1979 Remix Round And Round - alt mix Big Brother - edit Who Can I Be Now? After Today It's Hard To Be A Saint In The City John I'm Only Dancing (Again) - 12" version Win - alt mix Fascination - alt mix Right - alt mix Some Are All Saints Abdulmajid I Pray, Ole Space Oddity - remake alt edit Heroes (Helden) - 1989 Remix Sound And Vision - David Richards 1991 remix Joe The Lion - Remix Look Back In Anger - 1988 re-recording
Thanks for your answer Exactly, I excluded the tracks appearing on re:calls discs and anniversary double cd, that they sadly stopped to released
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ruud
Posted: 13th Mar 2018, 1:01 pm
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Apologies David, I misunderstood your question. I have removed my comment.
I think Christian's list is pretty complete. The Ryko compilation Singles 1969-1993 also features a couple of unique edits, if that's your cuppa tea. The Sound + Vision compilation has been reissued with a couple of bonus tracks.
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david_mas
Posted: 13th Mar 2018, 2:05 pm
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ruud wrote:
Apologies David, I misunderstood your question. I have removed my comment.
I think Christian's list is pretty complete. The Ryko compilation Singles 1969-1993 also features a couple of unique edits, if that's your cuppa tea. The Sound + Vision compilation has been reissued with a couple of bonus tracks.
Bold has not transferred so click on link above to see which tracks are still unique to Ryko!
Once you have your most loved RCA CDs you can get hold of these Ryco tracks to make up your own bonus discs. (My long winter night though not anywhere as useful as Shookys work)
SOUNDANDVISION Space Oddity (demo) The Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud (7”UK) /The Prettiest Star (1970 mono 7”) /London Bye Ta-Ta (1970 mono) /Round And Round (dull mix) /John I'm Only Dancing (Sax 7”) /1984-Dodo /Rebel Rebel (US 7”) /It's Hard To Be A Saint In The City /"Helden" (1989) /John I'm Only Dancing (live) /Changes (live) /The Supermen (live)
FAME90 x9 (Look under entry)
SPACEODDITY Don't Sit Down /Conversation Piece (mono 7”) /Memory Of A Free Festival pt 1 (7”) /Memory Of A Free Festival pt 2 (7”)
THE MAN WHO SOLD THE WORLD Lightning Frightening (mono) /Holy Holy (Ziggy re-recording 7”) /Moonage Daydream (Arnold Corns 7”) /Hang On To Yourself (Arnold Corns 7”)
ZIGGY STARDUST John I'm Only Dancing (remix 79 7”) /Velvet Goldmine (7”) /Sweet Head (no banter) /Ziggy Stardust (demo) /Lady Stardust (demo)
PIN UPS Growin' Up /Amsterdam (wider stereo)
DIAMOND DOGS Dodo /Candidate (demo)
DAVID LIVE all original tracks plus /Here Today, Gone Tomorrow /Time (Ryko edit) /Band Intro
YOUNG AMERICANS Win (ryko remix) /Fascination (ryko remix) (also on sound and vision) /Right (ryko remix) /Who Can I Be Now /It's Gonna Be Me /John I'm Only Dancing (Again) (12”)
STATIONTOSTATION /Word On A Wing (live ryko version) /Stay (live ryko version)
LOW Some Are /All Saints /Sound And Vision (Remixed Version)
“HEROES” Abdulmajid /Joe The Lion (Remixed Version)
STAGE Alabama Song
LODGER I Pray, Olé /Look Back In Anger (1988)
SCARY MONSTERS Space Oddity (1979 7” ryko mix/edit) /Panic In Detroit (1979) /Crystal Japan (7”) /Alabama Song (7”)
MOTION PICTURE all original tracks including Width of a Circle (vinyl edit)
THE SINGLES 1969 TO 1993 (USA) Space Oddity (ryko edit) /John I'm Only Dancing (7”) /TVC 15 (ryko edit) /"Heroes" (7"ryko edit) /DJ (7”) /Ashes To Ashes (7”) /Fashion (7”) /Under Pressure (Classic Queen mix) /Cat People (Film 12”) /Let's Dance (ryko edit) /China Girl (ryko edit) /Modern Love (ryko edit) /Loving The Alien (ryko album edit) /Dancing In The Street (ryko fade) /Absolute Beginners (7”) /Day-In Day-Out (ryko edit) /Peace On Earth/Little Drummer Boy (12”) (last track available later on Oglio EP)
THE SIMGLES COLLECTION (UK) /Under Pressure (Queen Greatest II edit) /This Is Not America (7”) /Dancing In The Street (7”/Day-In Day-Out (7”)
Bold unique to ryco CDs (and most on ryco vinyl) rest later EMI remastered so take your pick. Some tracks on USA Singles duplicated on UK Singles and on CHANGESBOWIE. This post is weighted towards CDs for instance if you only collect vinyl Under Pressure (Queen Greatest Hits II) edit is unique to the Singles Collection 3LP as not even on the Queen Vinyl of Greatest Hits II (which holds the original). So as a vinyl collector you will need all the Ryko/EMI Europe releases (bar Aladdin Sane and Changes Bowie) if you want all tracks
All tracks on Live/Motion Picture and Alabama Song from Stage could be included as later releases of each these titles had a new stereo mix.
Please note I have edited thanks to the contributions given below. Thank You and please let me know any more. We still might not agree on Some Are but we agree on most.
Bold has not transferred so click on link above to see which tracks are still unique to Ryko!
Once you have your most loved RCA CDs you can get hold of these Ryco tracks to make up your own bonus discs. (My long winter night though not anywhere as useful as Shookys work)
SOUNDANDVISION Space Oddity (demo) The Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud (7”UK) /The Prettiest Star (1970 mono 7”) /London Bye Ta-Ta (1970 mono) /Round And Round (dull mix) /John I'm Only Dancing (Sax 7”) /1984-Dodo /Rebel Rebel (US 7”) /It's Hard To Be A Saint In The City /"Helden" (1989) /John I'm Only Dancing (live) /Changes (live) /The Supermen (live)
FAME90 x9 (Look under entry)
SPACEODDITY Don't Sit Down /Conversation Piece (mono 7”) /Memory Of A Free Festival pt 1 (7”) /Memory Of A Free Festival pt 2 (7”)
THE MAN WHO SOLD THE WORLD Lightning Frightening (mono) /Holy Holy (Ziggy re-recording 7”) /Moonage Daydream (Arnold Corns 7”) /Hang On To Yourself (Arnold Corns 7”)
ZIGGY STARDUST John I'm Only Dancing (remix 79 7”) /Velvet Goldmine (7”) /Sweet Head (no banter) /Ziggy Stardust (demo) /Lady Stardust (demo)
PIN UPS Growin' Up /Amsterdam (wider stereo)
DIAMOND DOGS Dodo /Candidate (demo)
DAVID LIVE all original tracks plus /Here Today, Gone Tomorrow /Time (Ryko edit) /Band Intro
YOUNG AMERICANS Win (ryko remix) /Fascination (ryko remix) (also on sound and vision) /Right (ryko remix) /Who Can I Be Now /It's Gonna Be Me /John I'm Only Dancing (Again) (12”)
STATIONTOSTATION /Word On A Wing (live ryko version) /Stay (live ryko version)
LOW Some Are /All Saints /Sound And Vision (Remixed Version)
“HEROES” Abdulmajid /Joe The Lion (Remixed Version)
STAGE Alabama Song
LODGER I Pray, Olé /Look Back In Anger (1988)
SCARY MONSTERS Space Oddity (1979 7” ryko mix/edit) /Panic In Detroit (1979) /Crystal Japan (7”) /Alabama Song (7”)
MOTION PICTURE all original tracks including Width of a Circle (vinyl edit)
THE SINGLES 1969 TO 1993 (USA) Space Oddity (ryko edit) /John I'm Only Dancing (7”) /TVC 15 (ryko edit) /"Heroes" (7"ryko edit) /DJ (7”) /Ashes To Ashes (7”) /Fashion (7”) /Under Pressure (Classic Queen mix) /Cat People (Film 12”) /Let's Dance (ryko edit) /China Girl (ryko edit) /Modern Love (ryko edit) /Loving The Alien (ryko album edit) /Dancing In The Street (ryko fade) /Absolute Beginners (7”) /Day-In Day-Out (ryko edit) /Peace On Earth/Little Drummer Boy (12”) (last track available later on Oglio EP)
THE SIMGLES COLLECTION (UK) /Under Pressure (Queen Greatest II edit) /This Is Not America (7”) /Dancing In The Street (7”/Day-In Day-Out (7”)
Bold unique to ryco CDs (and most on ryco vinyl) rest later EMI remastered so take your pick. Some tracks on USA Singles duplicated on UK Singles and on CHANGESBOWIE. This post is weighted towards CDs for instance if you only collect vinyl Under Pressure (Queen Greatest Hits II) edit is unique to the Singles Collection 3LP as not even on the Queen Vinyl of Greatest Hits II (which holds the original). So as a vinyl collector you will need all the Ryko/EMI Europe releases (bar Aladdin Sane and Changes Bowie) if you want all tracks
All tracks on Live/Motion Picture and Alabama Song from Stage could be included as later releases of each these titles had a new stereo mix.
Please note I have edited thanks to the contributions given below. Thank You and please let me know any more. We still might not agree on Some Are but we agree on most.
awesome work !!! bravo
do you know which ones are still unique now, with the 3 boxset release ?
Yes it has been updated by edit with each release so if you go on link and look at bold they are still unique today.
Actually checked and I still had Alabama Song 7" on Scary monsters in bold, My bad, and have changed! Peace on Earth/Little Drummer 12" is different on ANCIANT Box Set but was release on obscure CD so technically shouldn't be there as stated.
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david_mas
Posted: 15th Mar 2018, 9:30 am
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paleblinds wrote:
Yes it has been updated by edit with each release so if you go on link and look at bold they are still unique today.
Actually checked and I still had Alabama Song 7" on Scary monsters in bold, My bad, and have changed! Peace on Earth/Little Drummer 12" is different on ANCIANT Box Set but was release on obscure CD so technically shouldn't be there as stated.
Thanks again for your answer ! I thought that Space Oddity 79 version of Scary Monsters on ryko is the same as the one in Re:call 3 Am I wrong?
Different as length of silence is different I believe.
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shooky
Posted: 15th Mar 2018, 10:11 pm
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david_mas wrote:
I thought that Space Oddity 79 version of Scary Monsters on ryko is the same as the one in Re:call 3 Am I wrong?
Ryko's version is inaccurate. the intro doesn't start in the right channel as it should and the silence before the drums enter has been made longer by a sloppy cut and paste edit.
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david_mas
Posted: 16th Mar 2018, 8:44 am
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shooky wrote:
david_mas wrote:
I thought that Space Oddity 79 version of Scary Monsters on ryko is the same as the one in Re:call 3 Am I wrong?
Ryko's version is inaccurate. the intro doesn't start in the right channel as it should and the silence before the drums enter has been made longer by a sloppy cut and paste edit.
Thank you very much for the exactness !
Is it the same for 'John I'm only dancing remix 79 7"'? Same version of the 30th anniversary and Ryko?
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shooky
Posted: 16th Mar 2018, 9:02 am
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david_mas wrote:
Is it the same for 'John I'm only dancing remix 79 7"'? Same version of the 30th anniversary and Ryko?
the 30th anniversary has the regular single version but with the channels swapped. Ryko uses the '79 remix but it's not 100% accurate to the 1979 single version. clip here: https://drive.google.com/ ... VFy1JMgZva listen to the right channel guitar first (single then ryko), then the left channel guitar. the mix is not the same.